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draxynnic · Jan 31, 2009, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Ctb

You can doubt all you like, but all evidence suggests you're wrong. They silently built the game for three years before they unveiled it, so there wasn't any heavy lifting left to do on it by the time it was being shown to the world.

...what evidence would this be?

I was a beta tester for WC3 and FT. I saw how much those games changed from the start to the end of beta. That was fairly close to being done, yet I'd describe what happened there as being more than a few minor graphics tweaks.

Now, situated in Australia, I don't get to play the playable the demos for Diablo3 at the convention where they were available. So I don't know how much of the world they've designed... although, if they're still using the random map generation from earlier titles (and there's no reason I can think of why they shouldn't), that in itse;f is probably not a major hurdle to complete once they've got the system working in the first place.

Mainly, however, what has been seen is one class with a complete skill tree (the Wizard) and two without. It's possible that the rest of the skill trees of the Barb and Witch Doctor are being kept under wraps...but it's also possible that they haven't been shown because they aren't at a stage where they're ready to show. Just like GW2 as a whole. Plus, it is known that the release schedule of information about races in Starcraft 2 has been in order of each race being brought to a displayable standard - first the Protoss for the original release with just a couple of Terran units, then they went hardball on the Terrans, then they started working on the Zerg.

Following this model, it seems likely to me that the classes and skills that have not been shown for D3 have not been shown because Blizzard is still working on them. And this isn't even going into the enemies that will populate this world - I know I've only seen a handful of them, and a scan of the Diablo 3 wiki shows... roughly enough for a single Act.

Have they done more than is publically viewable. Undoubtably. Have they 'practically finished'? I really, really doubt it. I suspect even Blizzard would have started flirting with announcing a release date if they were as close to done as you seem to think.

On the whole... I'm not going to blindly listen to what ANet says, but I am going to listen to my own logic. What my logic tells me is that while ANet are human and can make mistakes, they are not complete imbeciles. Furthermore, my logic tells me that there is no benefit to lying about whether GW2 is real that's worth the long-term cost to their reputation of it getting out that they haven't been working on GW2 over the time they claim they have been. Ergo, my logical conclusion is that they are.

You are free to disagree on the first assumption, but whatever you may think of the tight-lipped marketing strategy, it certainly requires less stupidity than outright lying to their consumer base, therefor, to me, it seems more likely that they are pursuing a strategy that some may consider nonoptimal than one that is outright suicidal.

And, to reiterate: By the harshest estimates, GW2 is still less than three years from when it was first concepted. Other companies, including Blizzard, which can be seen as a kind of parent of Anet, wouldn't even announce a game at this point in its development these days. ANet had to announce GW2 in order to explain why they weren't going to be continuing making expansions for GW1 and to notify the playerbase of the ultimate purpose of the Hall of Monuments... apart from that, I see no difference between their strategy and that of, say, Diablo 3 - wait until you at least have a well-polished portion of the game that is suitable to be shown off.

Lexar · Jan 31, 2009, 01:35 PM // 13:35

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

That's PR lingo boys and girls for "vaporware".

I lolled.

Aaaanyways, I say they are working on GW2 I'm willing to believe that for now, but are cutting costs on a marketing campaign by not actually having one.

And of course in good game developer tradition they spin it by saying it's a deliberate strategy, because saying they're having financial difficulties would be more harmful on the short run.

elpedro · Jan 31, 2009, 03:36 PM // 15:36

So there we have it, Guild Wars 2 is at a playable stage, has over 200 people working on it and is currently in development - pretty much what most people would have thought anyway.

So anyone else coming here, spreading lies about "Vaporware" please gtfo this forum as that is officially trolling now. This is going to be a great thread to look back on - hopefully now we can keep the whiners, disbelievers and general trolls quiet.

Thanks again Regina.

Apollo Smile · Jan 31, 2009, 04:58 PM // 16:58

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Originally Posted by elpedro

So there we have it, Guild Wars 2 is at a playable stage, has over 200 people working on it and is currently in development - pretty much what most people would have thought anyway.

So anyone else coming here, spreading lies about "Vaporware" please gtfo this forum as that is officially trolling now. This is going to be a great thread to look back on - hopefully now we can keep the whiners, disbelievers and general trolls quiet.

Thanks again Regina.

No, by then the trolls will have moved on to complaining that GW2 isn't GW1.

Shadowmoon · Jan 31, 2009, 05:47 PM // 17:47

I guess I'm one of those vaporware trolls, because until new information come out, I am lacking the confidence that gw2 will make it to market. I'm basing this on the indefinitely moved beta with nothing in its place in 08, and how none of Regina's predecessor "New Years Resolutions" came true. I never said she out right lied, but half-truths are part of the game in CR. I think both side agree that the lack of information is fueling these feelings, and hopefully some with come out soon to quench these fires.
Personally I would be happy to idea of how the new game is coming along.

elpedro · Jan 31, 2009, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

I guess I'm one of those vaporware trolls

Yep, despite everything; on the official website, an official GW2 wiki, current jobs available working on GW2, a GW1 campaign designed to link to the two games, the HoM update to make titles account based (ready for GW2), an official backstory to GW2 AND Regina, taking her time to come here and let us know there is a large team working on it and the fact she's played it, this somehow isn't enough.

It really isn't worth putting an argument over because that would require two sides, in this case there's only one and you're not on it.

Nodakim · Jan 31, 2009, 08:59 PM // 20:59

I think people weremt thinking that GW2 wasnt being worked on,i think they thought that the lack of information indicates that there arent any improvments in the developing,aka they are redoing one or two things all the time but without any success

Apollo Smile · Jan 31, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

HAHA, one of the trolls in here is so pathetic they have been harrassing me ingame with "Wheres GW2, no proof" messages for the past couple of days. Whoever it is, try using your real name you cowardly bitch.

MOD EDIT: No character names.

mrvrod · Jan 31, 2009, 09:25 PM // 21:25

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

HAHA, one of the trolls in here is so pathetic they have been harrassing me ingame with "Wheres GW2, no proof" messages for the past couple of days. Whoever it is, try using your real name you cowardly bitch.

That's pathetic! I'm sorry you have to deal with that. People need to learn you can have a healthy debate without crossing the line.

RedNova88 · Jan 31, 2009, 09:45 PM // 21:45

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Originally Posted by elpedro

Yep, despite everything; on the official website, an official GW2 wiki, current jobs available working on GW2, a GW1 campaign designed to link to the two games, the HoM update to make titles account based (ready for GW2), an official backstory to GW2 AND Regina, taking her time to come here and let us know there is a large team working on it and the fact she's played it, this somehow isn't enough.

It really isn't worth putting an argument over because that would require two sides, in this case there's only one and you're not on it.

I really have to agree with this, Regina has just told us it's in a playable state, and because they refuse to share any further information like screenshots people still condemn them and try to convince themselves it's still vaporware? What would lying to us accomplish? Nothing.

I agree that they should release some new information, even if only a little, but frankly I don't care because I've been incredibly excited about GW2 since it was announced. If they would rather spend time working on their game than getting us all hyped up through the media than that's quite alright for me. If people are going to be so bitter and jaded then there's nothing any of us can do to convince them the information is legit.

MisterB · Jan 31, 2009, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

HAHA, one of the trolls in here is so pathetic they have been harrassing me ingame with "Wheres GW2, no proof" messages for the past couple of days.

No posting names. Report for harassment. Support will sort them out. Isn't karma fun?

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Originally Posted by Apollo Smile

Don't worry, i'm sure his "gold seller, jumble of letters" name will keep him safe.

You are mistaken, or are being sarcastic. They can pull the logs. You have time, place, character name, and a screenshot.

Apollo Smile · Jan 31, 2009, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by MisterB

No posting names. Report for harassment. Support will sort them out. Isn't karma fun?

Don't worry, i'm sure his "gold seller, jumble of letters" name will keep him safe.

Arduin · Jan 31, 2009, 11:29 PM // 23:29

So Anet isn't releasing any information not because there is nothing to show, but because they decided not to.

Okay.

DreamWind · Feb 01, 2009, 12:51 AM // 00:51

A lot of people here are missing the point completely. Most people know it isn't vaporware, they just think its stupid that Anet hasn't released ANYTHING about the game since its original annoucement.

mrvrod · Feb 01, 2009, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by DreamWind

A lot of people here are missing the point completely. Most people know it isn't vaporware, they just think its stupid that Anet hasn't released ANYTHING about the game since its original annoucement.

While I do agree most people know, there have been a lot of vaporware conspiracy theory posts especially in regards to GW:EN. And I believe at least some of them believe it.

Shadowmoon · Feb 01, 2009, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by elpedro

Yep, despite everything; on the official website, an official GW2 wiki, current jobs available working on GW2, a GW1 campaign designed to link to the two games, the HoM update to make titles account based (ready for GW2), an official backstory to GW2 AND Regina, taking her time to come here and let us know there is a large team working on it and the fact she's played it, this somehow isn't enough.

Yet Starcraft:ghost had alot of these things, including screenshots and ingame videos, and look what happened to it. Regina statement seem to point to this situation, because they are refusing to release anything until it eaches their level of polish, which may never happen, similar how starcraft:ghost never made light of day because it didn't reach blizzards lvl of polish.

Arduin · Feb 01, 2009, 12:33 PM // 12:33

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Yet Starcraft:ghost had alot of these things, including screenshots and ingame videos, and look what happened to it. Regina statement seem to point to this situation, because they are refusing to release anything until it eaches their level of polish, which may never happen, similar how starcraft:ghost never made light of day because it didn't reach blizzards lvl of polish.

Don't forget Blizzard had more than only Starcraft Ghost. Scrapping that game was possible because they were already developing WoW, and later on Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2.

If Anet would scrap GW2, they would have nothing to generate any income.

elpedro · Feb 01, 2009, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by Shadowmoon

Yet Starcraft:ghost had alot of these things, including screenshots and ingame videos, and look what happened to it. Regina statement seem to point to this situation, because they are refusing to release anything until it eaches their level of polish, which may never happen, similar how starcraft:ghost never made light of day because it didn't reach blizzards lvl of polish.

Considering the fan base, anticipation and as mentioned - no other planned games of the same scale in the pipeline. Would Anet really be paying over 200 staff for what is likely going to be over 2 years not to finish a game that is already in a playable state and has all the foundations in place (i.e GW1)?

- No personal attacks.
- Sun Fired Blank

Society · Feb 01, 2009, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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so Anet isn't releasing any information not because there is nothing to show, but because they decided not to.

Well... It's pretty common practice to decide not show anything if you haven't done anything to show. It's also pretty common practice to hide that fact, talking about upcoming great things, which only needs to be polished slightly more. And it's just Regina's job to spend her time talking such thing to us. ANet paying her for that too.

Of course, 1 day they can cancel it, dispose they comapany and... just reappear under another name or merge with NCSoft. It's pretty common practice too for small and unfamous companies too.

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If Anet would scrap GW2, they would have nothing to generate any income.

No, the can just begin selling Ice Imps stones for another 4,49 euro... Of course, if they won't announce that scrapping.

Cacheelma · Feb 01, 2009, 03:47 PM // 15:47

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

If Anet would scrap GW2, they would have nothing to generate any income.

As if such thing never happened to any company before...